Welcome to the global phenomenon, Surviving the Survivor,

where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award winning journalist,

Joel Waldman. What's up, S.T.S. Nation and welcome to another episode of Surviving the Survivor, the

podcast that promises to bring you the very best guests in all of true crime it is not just a tagline it is our

reality here we've got two fine guests and are going to be joined by a third and coincidentally all four of us our names all

begin with the letter J there must be something in the air before we get to the

guests and they are good ones, huge, massive thank you to both the

COE and STS Nation member Abby Crossing. She and the COE were up into the we hours putting together a presentation of sorts that you are going to see today right here on surviving the survivor of new evidence against Donna

Sue Adelson that we were able to FOIA. It was close to 500 pages. We're going to have a few more shows because we will probably not get to

everything today and we have more to go. So there you go. Shout out to Asian American Legal Focus. She's been on this story from the beginning.

Our friend Judy told not to say last names anymore so I won't say her last name even though I always do.

But she put out the news that Charlie

Adelson is in fact going to be transferred or there's a motion for the state that

they intend to transfer Charlie Adelson, you'll see it right here in the small print,

they're going to transfer Charlie Adelson from South Dakota where he is apparently residing right now hiding out from the Latin

king gang members and he could be called as a state's witness in this trial but

the state filed this motion. Charlie Adelson has been put on notice when this

transport happens. We do not know. I'm going to keep this up because we're going to be going

through this.

I'll bring it back up actually in a moment.

Another bit of news that Jared Ross on our panel flagged me with Alex Morris, the defense attorney

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