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And it's not about measuring success by did you get a job or did you pass or any of those quantitative things?

It's have you graduated as a free aware thinker with the skills to work across different disciplines.

This is Design Matters with Debbie Nomer from Design Observer.com.

Design Matters is on summer break and we'll be back in the fall with a new season.

In the meantime, we're sharing some of the interviews Debbie has recently done in front of a live audience.

This one is with Neville Brody, the great English designer, typographer, and art director. In the 1980s,

Brody worked for Fetish Records and For the Face, which revolutionized art direction for magazines.

The interview took place in January 2018 in Atlanta during an AIGA conference. Here's Debbie Millman,

live with Neville Brody.

After you were at Fetish, you then went to the face, and that work has been credited with revolutionizing the way in which designers and readers approach graphics. Did you start

there thinking, okay, I am now going to change everything?

Okay, so I was working on a fetish and the face at the same time.

Okay. And a number of other things. I'd set up my own studio. Right. So after

Rocking Russian, you never work for anybody again. Well, Stiff Rackles for a year. And I got fired for being late. Being late? Yeah. Just coming in late? No, no. Actually, no, I was told officially, we're not firing you for being late every single day. We're firing you for not apologizing for it. Wow, that's a control issue.

Yeah.

Wow. We're firing you for not apologizing for it.

Wow, that's a control issue.

Wow.

So they wanted you to be remorseful?

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