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The Irish Passport

Neutrality, part 1: Churchill versus de Valera

The Irish Passport

The Irish Passport

Society & Culture

4.8652 Ratings

🗓️ 24 October 2021

⏱️ 77 minutes

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Summary

In 1939, the young Irish state stood at a crossroads in its history. Europe was descending into war, and the deeply impoverished and weakly defended nation feared its strategic location on Britain's flank could mean invasion - by either side. In this episode, Naomi and Tim describe a moment when two towering figures of 20th century history came head-to-head and shaped the fates of Ireland, Britain, and Europe. The Irish revolutionary leader Éamon de Valera and Britain's wartime prime minister Winston Churchill had profoundly different starts in life and world views - and they hated each other. Their bitter personal relations led to a Second World War standoff, and a mysterious late-night telegram from Downing Street thats constitutes one of the great 'what if' questions of Irish history. This is part one of a double episode on Irish military neutrality, explaining how the flagship Irish policy came to be. In part two, we'll dig into what Irish military neutrality means in practice today, and the opportunities and challenges ahead as Europe revisits its strategic security in an era in which the United States is in retreat. Follow us on Facebook and Twitter at @PassportIrish. Bonus episodes are published for our supporters over at www.patreon.com/theirishpassport Huge thanks to our sponsors, Irish at Heart, for backing this episode. Sign up to receive surprise boxes of artisan Irish goods at irish-at-heart.com, and get a special 15% discount off your first box with the discount code IRISHPASSPORT. The link is here: https://irish-at-heart.com/

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0:00.0

Hello, welcome to Irish Passport.

0:02.3

Let's do it.

0:03.1

Welcome to the Irish Passport.

0:04.8

I'm Tim McInerney.

0:06.0

I'm Naomi O'Leary.

0:07.0

We're friends.

0:07.7

Can you both to Naomi?

0:08.5

Anwarfad, Tim.

0:09.9

This is your passport to Irish culture, history and politics.

0:13.2

Uh-huh.

0:13.4

I'm recording.

0:14.2

One, two, two, three.

0:16.6

Okay. Hello, everyone.

0:38.3

Hi everybody and welcome back to the Irish Passport podcast.

0:41.9

Today we're bringing you the first of a two-part episode on one of our all-time most requested topics, the issue of Ireland's military neutrality.

0:51.5

Yeah, people are sometimes surprised to discover that Ireland is one of the five EU member states to hold a policy of neutrality. Yeah, people are sometimes surprised to discover that Ireland is one of the

0:55.2

five EU member states to hold a policy of neutrality. The other ones, by the way, are Austria,

1:01.0

Sweden, Malta and Finland. The meaning of neutrality, however, differs in each of these countries

1:06.0

and can change over time, and this is certainly the case for Ireland too. Right. So even though Ireland has

1:11.8

been neutral since the 1930s, what that actually means isn't spelled out and debate about it

1:17.9

and even if Ireland really is neutral have come up over the years, especially in more recent decades.

1:24.7

The policy can be hugely politically sensitive, with memorable

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