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The Cure for Chronic Pain with Nicole Sachs, LCSW

Neuroplastic Pain, TMS, and the Science of Unlearning Chronic Symptoms with Dr. Howard Schubiner

The Cure for Chronic Pain with Nicole Sachs, LCSW

Nicole Sachs, LCSW

Alternative Health, Spirituality, Religion & Spirituality, Health & Fitness

4.92.8K Ratings

🗓️ 29 May 2026

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Learn how to JournalSpeak ➡️  ⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.yourbreakawake.com/journalspeak⁠ Of all the conversations we have on this podcast, this one feels especially important because Dr. Howard Schubiner has been standing at the intersection of medicine, neuroscience, research, and mindbody healing for decades. In this episode, Howard shares the personal and professional path that led him from traditional medicine to Dr. Sarno’s work, and eventually to becoming one of the leading voices in neuroplastic chronic pain and illness. We talk about why pain is never “all in your head,” but is always created by the brain, how predictive processing helps explain why symptoms feel so real and so frightening, and why curiosity is often the first crack in the fear that keeps people stuck. Howard also walks us through the growing body of randomized controlled research behind Pain Reprocessing Therapy and Emotion Awareness and Expression Therapy, including why these approaches are showing such meaningful results compared with more traditional coping-based therapies. We talk about chronic pain, anxiety, depression, fatigue, fibromyalgia, migraines, pelvic pain, IBS, and the many symptoms that can arise when the nervous system is operating from fear, learned danger, and unprocessed emotional experience. What I love most about Howard’s work is that it is deeply scientific and deeply compassionate at the same time. His message is not that your suffering is imagined. His message is that your suffering is real, your body is not broken, and there may be a way forward that you have not yet been offered. Joins us! XO n. Where to find Dr. Schubiner: Dr. Schubiner’s website: Unlearn Your Pain Appointments: Cormendi Health New book: Unlearn Your Pain: The Science of Recovering from Chronic Pain, Fatigue, Anxiety and Depression Instagram: @hschubiner ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠SUBSCRIBE TO MY NEW SUBSTACK⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! So excited about this one :)) Want your questions answered directly by me? 💛 Receive support, guidance, connection, and direct access to me in our HEAL WITH NICOLE MEMBERSHIP: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://tinyurl.com/y7wadt8d⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠1:1 COACHING WITH TRAINED COACHES SUPERVISED DIRECTLY BY NICOLE⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠PLEASE RATE AND REVIEW THE PODCAST HERE TO HELP OTHERS FIND IT!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Producer: Lisa Eisenpresser ~~~~~ SUPPORT: 🟠 Struggling with chronic pain? Check out my Freedom From Chronic Pain course   GET THE FIRST LESSON FREE: https://www.yourbreakawake.com/painfree⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 🟠  Anxiety controlling your life? Try my Freedom From an Anxious Life course  GET THE FIRST LESSON FREE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.yourbreakawake.com/anxietyfree⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  🧠  Learn more about the brain science and clinical experiences in my book   MIND YOUR BODY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.yourbreakawake.com/book ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  💛  Receive support, guidance, connection, and direct access to Nicole with  MEMBERSHIP: https://www.yourbreakawake.com/membership⁠ ~~~~ THE CURE FOR CHRONIC PAIN JOIN THE CONVERSATION ON INSTAGRAM  👉   https://www.instagram.com/nicolesachslcsw⁠ SUBSCRIBE TO THE PODCAST  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 👉   https://podfollow.com/the-cure-for-chronic-pain-with-nicole-sachs-lcsw⁠ LEARN ABOUT ANNUAL OMEGA RETREAT ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 👉   https://www.yourbreakawake.com/work-with-nicole Podcast music by the beautiful and talented Danielle Furst: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@musicfurst⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

When was the last time you stopped and listened to your body?

0:03.0

Here's a Holland and Barrett ad break to do just that.

0:06.0

Go on. Have a listen to your gut.

0:10.0

Is that a gurgle?

0:12.0

A rumble?

0:14.0

Is it straining after lunch?

0:16.0

Or is it saying...

0:18.0

You've got to show me love.

0:24.6

We know what your body's asking for. In store online on the app.

0:27.6

Back your body, Holland and Barrett.

0:30.6

Welcome to the Cure for Chronic Pain podcast with me, Nicole Sacks. You are here. Hello everybody. How are you

0:45.1

today? This is Nicole. And you have reached my podcast, The Cure for Chronic Pain. Welcome to it.

0:50.7

So today is a pretty epic day, although I have lectured alongside him, referred patients to his work, and had him refer patients to mine, Dr. Howard Schubner and I have never sat down to the mic to have a conversation on the podcast.

1:05.0

In the world of people carrying Dr. Sarno's work and helping people all over the world. Dr. Schubner is the man.

1:14.6

He is published in more than 100 scientific journals. He participates in the kind of clinical

1:19.6

research that is helping people like me share this work in a way that really lands for people

1:25.4

because for years Dr. Sarno was doing this work and the science

1:29.1

had not caught up. The randomized clinical trials had not caught up and now they have.

1:34.8

And Dr. Schubner is part of so much of that. And his book, Unlearn Your Pain, comes out this week.

1:41.8

So here's why it's super important for me. I am obviously a psychotherapist.

1:46.5

I have brought this work very publicly for many years. But without medical doctors like Dr.

1:52.1

Schubner and Dr. Strax, who you guys know about, because I've had him on the podcast as well,

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