Net zero is not real, zero, because net zero is not really about phasing out fossil fuels and really reducing methane emissions.

Net zero is about pumping seed. Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us.

I'm your host, Paris Marks, and this week my guest is Sabrina Fernandez.

Sabrina is an Urgak postdoctoral fellow at Rosa Luxembourg Stiffton.

She's also the producer of Tezeayonze and a contributing editor at

Jacobin. Sabrina has been looking into and studying issues around climate change for more than a

decade, and she brings a really important eco-socialist perspective that I'm excited to get into

in this conversation as we dig into COP26 and the many proposals for green capitalist solutions

that purport to deal with the climate crisis but actually delay the necessary action that we

actually need to take the kind of structural changes that are required to seriously reduce emissions

and to change the way that we live to ensure that it's in a more equitable and sustainable way.

Sabrina was actually at the COP26 conference earlier this month, so she tells us a bit about what actually happened on the ground,

you know, the presence of fossil fuel lobbyists and corporations there, and what that meant

for the actual discussions that were being had at the conference. And then we dig into this term

net zero by 2050 that you've probably been hearing a lot lately, and what is actually kind of

embedded in that term and that concept, and how it involves the idea that we can continue polluting and not take

the rapid actions that are necessary because things like offsets, nature-based solutions,

and new technologies that haven't even been developed yet will kind of save us from ourselves

in the future, even though those things are not at all proven, and we're taking a massive

risk if we don't

take the action that we should be taking in the next few years to seriously curb greenhouse

gas emissions. I realize that we haven't talked nearly enough about climate change on the podcast

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