Think about how much extractions involved.

Don't give the gift of Chris is a visiting research fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School, Shorenstein Center. He's been profiled recently in the

Washington Post and has had some great pieces in Wired and Real Life that I'll include in the show

notes that are relevant to today's conversation. You might recognize him most notably as

at hypervisible on Twitter. Last time Chris was on the program, we talked a lot about his concept of digital redlining,

what that means for cities as these technologies are increasingly kind of integrated into urban

life, but also what it means for education. In this conversation, we're shifting it a little bit,

and instead focusing on the personal level and the community level as these so-called smart

technologies, probably better known as surveillance technologies, proliferate through our lives,

you know, with all of these Amazon home surveillance devices that it's trying to sell or with,

you know, fitness trackers or any number of other things. And this is particularly a relevant conversation

right now because we are in this kind of hyper-consumerous moment that happens leading up to

Christmas. And especially since this episode, we'll drop on US Thanksgiving. And the following day,

of course, on Friday,

is Black Friday, which is the biggest

or one of the biggest sales events of the year

that is really like the time to get your Christmas shopping done

ahead of December and the further consumerism

that will happen through that period.

And I wanted to talk to Chris because every year

around this time,

what we see is these kind of shopping lists, these listicles from tech publications that

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