I'm Natalie Moore. I fell in love with soap operas when I was just five years old, and I still

watch them. Their television's longest scripted series and have zero reruns. Now let me tell you,

soap operas aren't just some silly art form. They are significant. In this season of making,

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From WBEZ Chicago, I'm Greta Johnson, and this is the Nerdat Book Club.

It's just like a regular book club, except sometimes the author stops by, and that is what's happening today. Somehow,

it is July. And that means our book club pick for this month is David Yoon's sci-fi-ish,

thriller-ish novel, version zero. It is about Max. He is a dude who works atren, which is, I'll just say it's a social media

company that everybody uses, but everybody kind of hates. So, you know, fill in the blank

however you need to in real life. When his bosses ask him to help design a way to collect

even more data from Ren users, he has concerns. He gets fired. So he and his buddies cook up a way to get back at the industry.

There's a love triangle and a reclusive billionaire and a lot of scheming. That's all I want to say

for now. Stay tuned for the super spoilery discussion group on the book later this month. Today,

it is a spoiler-free interview with David Yun, who's here now. David, hi.

Hi, thanks for having me. It's so nice to be here. Oh, yay. So, as I mentioned a little bit,

like this book is about a lot of things. It's action-packed. It's big and bold. I feel like

it's also full of some really interesting ruminations about what the internet is and what the role of tech

should have in our lives. And I definitely want to get to some of that philosophy stuff because I

think it's really interesting. But first, I'm curious to hear about when you first started

thinking about this book as it is. I know you worked in tech for like 20 years, right?

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