Hi everyone, thanks for joining me again for another conversation. My guest today, Rye, sharp, funny, informed.

What he says is it comes from a deep place. It comes from a deep well. He's always on the money.

He's always important to listen to, I think. You're going to love him.

He doesn't put up with the nonsense. A bit like myself, I would like to think, something to say

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meet my friend. My guest for a conversation today is John Waters, Irishman, a writer, and a recent revelation to me.

I like the way John thinks and I like the way John talks. Thanks for joining me again.

Very happy to be at you again, Neil. Nice to see you.

I'll say right up front, I feel a strange sense of optimism, which I don't fully understand, given the circumstances. I do wonder if it isn't just that, you know, if you, if you get slapped often enough,

you get a bit numb to it and the slapping no longer has the effect that it had.

And I'm beginning to wonder if just the constant deluge that we, that we keep seeing in every

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