Ned & Stacey Is Secretly the Prequel to Will & Grace
Gayest Episode Ever
Gayest Episode Ever
4.8 • 568 Ratings
🗓️ 18 March 2026
⏱️ 76 minutes
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Summary
"The Gay Caballeros" (February 19, 1996)
Full disclosure: We didn't come here to say nice things about Debra Messing. What we will say is that she's forever trapped in sitcom mode, to the point that the laffer that preceded the gay one has her essentially playing an identical character. What's more? Ned, who is supposedly straight, really reads like a gay character. For these reasons and more, this explicitly gay episode gives this podcast a lot to discuss.
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| 0:00.0 | Anybody's seen a better thing? |
| 0:18.6 | Hello and welcome to gayest episode ever, the podcast where we discuss the LGBT |
| 0:22.5 | episodes of classic sitcoms. |
| 0:24.3 | I'm Drew Mackie. |
| 0:25.0 | I'm Glenn Lakin. |
| 0:26.1 | Glenn, what infamous, famous, remembered what? |
| 0:29.9 | Notorious? |
| 0:30.6 | Notorious sitcom where we're discussing this week. |
| 0:32.9 | Ned and Stacy, Drew, I'm surprised it took us to our final season to do it. |
| 0:37.1 | We certainly mentioned it enough. I was too, and then I watched it and I was like, Drew. I'm surprised it took us to our final season to do it. We certainly mentioned it enough. |
| 0:39.4 | I was too, and then I watched it and I was like, yeah, okay. |
| 0:42.5 | This wasn't as big a deal as I thought it was. |
| 0:44.8 | I disagree. |
| 0:45.9 | I mean, I think for many reasons, it's very worth talking about. |
| 0:51.0 | One, the premise should have just been closeted gay man uh has a beard yeah |
| 0:58.4 | and also i i've had this thought since the very first episode of will and grace i was like oh |
| 1:04.7 | they just took devra messings character from dead and stacey and put her with an actual gay man. |
| 1:12.1 | Yeah. |
| 1:12.4 | Because the characters are basically the same. |
| 1:14.2 | Technically, Stacey is a freelance journalist, which does not come up in this episode at all. |
| 1:19.5 | But yeah, it does... |
| 1:20.8 | She likes to eat. |
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