Navigating Trump's Foreign Policy
The NPR Politics Podcast
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🗓️ 12 February 2025
⏱️ 19 minutes
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This episode: White House correspondents Asma Khalid and Franco Ordoñez, and State Department correspondent Michele Kelemen.
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| 0:23.0 | I just finished my business meeting for the day and now get to explore. |
| 0:26.6 | I'm currently watching people swarm to take pictures of the charging bowl. |
| 0:30.8 | This podcast was recorded at 12.35 p.m. Eastern Time on Wednesday, February 12th of 2025. Things may have changed by the time you hear this, |
| 0:40.7 | but I will have gone through the crowd to get my own picture. All right. Enjoy the show. |
| 0:48.3 | I've been at that ball. The line is pretty long. My son loved it, though. |
| 0:52.8 | Hey there, it's the NPR Politics Podcast. I'm Asma Khalid. I cover the White House. |
| 0:56.7 | I'm Frank O'Oydonias. I also cover the White House. And today on the show, America's |
| 1:01.3 | new form policy in the Trump era. We try to decipher what it is and if it differs from the last |
| 1:07.9 | time Trump was in office. And to help us make sense of these questions, |
| 1:11.2 | we are joined by a special guest today, NPR's Michelle Kellerman. She covers the State Department for NPR. |
| 1:16.7 | Hey there, Michelle. Nice to be here. So I actually want to start the conversation with you, |
| 1:20.4 | because you have covered foreign policy in a lot of different presidential administrations, |
| 1:25.1 | Republican and Democrat. How would you describe |
| 1:28.6 | this Trump administration's worldview? I've been covering the secretaries of state since |
| 1:34.3 | Colin Powell was secretary. And there have been kind of, you know, rules of the road, the post-Cold |
| 1:39.4 | war era, the post-World War II international institutions. All of this is kind of being thrown up for grabs again. I mean, I remember when I started, you know, we were talking about the end of history, right? We were talking about how everyone was moving to more liberal democracies around the world. And now you have Russia and China being very kind of |
| 2:03.1 | revanchist on the world stage. And you have a president who is talking about doing things like |
| 2:09.3 | seizing the Panama Canal or seizing Greenland or taking over Gaza. I mean, you're talking about |
| 2:15.0 | kind of right-wing governments, populist governments in a lot of countries changing the way the world works. |
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