You know, one of the reasons coming out is so tricky is because there's no one way to do it.

Everyone's experience is a little different. You hear stories about people getting outright

rejected by friends and family when they come out, or you hear about the person coming out

and their dad has like baked a cake that says we always knew and they never have to talk about it

again and it's all great and fine. And then there are those of us who have experiences somewhere

in the middle. This sort of squishy center of coming out where everyone's trying to navigate the

give and take of these very intimate conversations. I'm Tobin Lowe. And I'm Kathy too. And we are the

co-host of the podcast Nancy. It's a storytelling podcast from WNYC Studios about all things LGBTQ.

On our show, we talk about everything from dating to finding chosen family to going to queer summer

camp. One of my favorite episodes. Yeah, we've done a lot. And something that we talk a lot about

on our show is no surprise here. The experience of coming out as a queer or trans person. So we're

teaming up with NPR's life kit. One of my favorite shows to offer a little bit of advice on the topic.

Wonder Twin powers activate. You make that reference all the time and I still don't know what it is.

Okay, never mind. So Kathy, you and I each talk to a couple folks sort of asking them their best

pieces of advice for both sides of this conversation. I'm so excited to share with you and I'm also

thrilled to hear who you talk to. Shall we jump in? Let's.

Actually, before we jump in, let's say the big caveat to all of this.

Yes, and that is if you're thinking about coming out, you know when it's best. If you feel like

it's unsafe for you to come out right now, if you're not ready, it's totally up to you to decide

what's right. There's no pressure to do it on any type of timeline or in any sort of way in person

by text by email, carrier pigeon, it can be anything. So Tobin, now that we've got that out of the way,

what's takeaway number one? Okay, takeaway number one is for if you're on the receiving end of a coming

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