Just to heads up, you should know that this episode deals with the trauma of pregnancy loss.

This is in PR's life kit.

I always knew I wanted to be a mom. I'm a planner by nature. As a woman, I just in my head was like,

I'm going to be able to have kids as we are conditioned as we're younger. You get married,

you have kids, you get married, you have kids. Never in my mind that I entertain the thought of

losing a baby, having a miscarriage, having a stillbirth. The doctors didn't mention it, no one

mentioned it. So I went in like a schoolgirl and of course my first pregnancy was perfect.

So then when I have my first daughter I'm thinking like, okay let's try again.

But my second pregnancy, I lost that baby for miscarriage and then my stillbirth.

And then it kept on continuing. I was just like, oh my goodness, I am failing as a woman.

And I felt all I was good as was birthing death.

Everything was hush hush, no one spoke of loss, at least nine in my circle.

I'm Martina Abraham Zalunga and I'm Gabrielle Horton. We're the host of Nadel,

a podcast docu series about having a baby while black. On our show we pass a mic to black parents

like Yvonne McCombs and my own mom Marilyn Abrahams, who you heard at the top of the episode.

We invite them to share their stories about pregnancy, childbirth and postpartum care in their

own words. Today, we're partnering with LifeKit to have a real conversation about something that

can be really difficult to talk about and that's losing a baby. You know Gabrielle, last year when

we were doing research for our episode on pregnancy loss, I couldn't believe that between 10 and 15

percent of known pregnancies end in loss. And it's likely that number is even higher when unknown

pregnancies are taken into account. I remember that. I also remember how the National Institutes of

Health estimates that black women are twice as likely to suffer both early pregnancy loss

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