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Music Friends, welcome back to Part of the Mess.

I'm your host, Courtney Defeo, and you all are in for a treat.

Meredith Brock is one of my favorite female leaders out there.

I met her years ago through our mutual friend Lisa

Terkhurst, and she's been with Proverbs 31. Meredith has for, I think she says, over 14 years,

but in the last three years, she's been the CEO of Proverbs 31. But on all the things she does,

she's a wife to Mac Brock, who is a very popular and amazing worship leader and songwriter. She's a

mama four.

I don't know how she does it all, but she also serves a few authors as a literary agent.

And so that is kind of the world I connected with her in is just watching her represent Lisa.

And she is so creative and so amazing. I actually assume that she had written devotions and

books herself, which I'll ask her about later. She's like, oh, no, no, I'm not that person. I actually assumed that she had written devotions and books herself, which I'll ask her

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