Navigating Different Systems of Morality (Kurt Gray, PhD)

Pulling The Thread with Elise Loehnen

Elise Loehnen

Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality, Self-improvement, Education

4.8 • 900 Ratings

🗓️ 17 April 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

What actually motivates us? When we disagree with someone else—how can we do it better? Social psychologist and author of Outraged, Kurt Gray, PhD, shares what he’s learned from studying the behaviors of people with different experiences. He corrects a few funny things we got wrong about human evolution. And he explains what “concept creep” and “the creep of harm” mean—and why we’re generally much safer than we think. We talk about what tends to give birth to polarization, why we behave the way we do on social media, and why we often forget the complexity within our own perspectives. For the show notes, head over to my Substack. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hi, it's Elise Lunan, host of Pulling the Thread.
0:03.4	Today I'm talking to social psychologist Kurt Gray,
0:06.3	who wrote one of the most fascinating books I've read in a while.
0:11.1	Amazon offers term time working to their employees, like Anton,
0:17.2	who's home to look after his daughters during their holidays.
0:20.5	Hello!
0:21.3	To him, this is the best sound in the world.
0:27.7	Actually, maybe that's the best sound of all.
0:31.8	Now that's term time working.
0:34.2	Offered at Amazon.
0:35.7	Ten weeks off guaranteed per year.
0:59.9	Mix of paid holiday and unpaid time off. Conditions apply. Hi, it's Elise Lunan, host of Pulling the Thread. On this show, we pull apart the web in which we all live to understand who we are and why we're here.
1:05.5	My hope is that these conversations spark moments of resonance and plant tiny seeds of awareness so that we might all collectively learn and grow.
1:10.9	Here is today's guest, Kurt Gray, on understanding what motivates people and finding a better
1:16.0	way to connect and communicate with the people in our lives.
1:19.5	You need to understand how your mind works and how their mind works and how even they might
1:23.2	be the same mind.
1:24.6	Kurt Gray is a social psychologist and professor who received his PhD from Harvard. I loved
1:30.3	his book, Outraged, which is essentially about why we disagree with one another and how we can actually
1:36.1	do it better. We cover a lot of ground in today's conversation. We talk about a few funny things that we got
1:42.9	wrong about human evolution and why they matter.
1:45.9	Kurt explains what concept creep and the creep of harm mean,
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