I'm Stephanie Coxon, and I'm Kathy Anderson Martin, and we are two women influencing real live.

So let's twirl.

Kathy, as we are entering into what I'm going to define as weird times within the US of A, one of the things that is not readily recognized is the amount of medical freedom issues that we have within the within our country and how a lot of

information a lot of access a lot of care is blocked by corporate medicine or the pharmaceutical

companies and so I thought it would be a good idea to talk to someone who got wrapped up in the

system and just hear her story of how she, as part of the medical system, is trying to navigate

it. I think that's a good topic to have, Stephanie, because I think, you know, when people are

out and about in conversation more and more just having, you know, going about our lives, we hear stories and horror stories of people

that can't get care and or the care needs to be what they say, how they say it. And so I think

this is a great topic because I know I've run into a lot of people that have those same concerns.

So good conversation ahead today.

Yes. So I'm Stephanie Coxon. And I'm Kathy Anderson Martin. And we are two women inspiring

real life. So let's twirl. You know, because of how our medical system is, we are actually

not going to use the person's real name because it's

important for her to have the anonymity as she moves through everything and I think it's really

sad that we have to do that because we have seen what happens to people when they when they don't

but I'm super excited to have Karen on today and just to hear her story because I'm assuming she is not

alone. I agree. I mean, from the little bit that I've heard in advance of us speaking today,

it's, again, it's something that needs to be told. We've had over the past two years, Stephanie,

numerous stories of people in their fight,

and I'm going to use that word fight to navigate the health care system, you know, being told

they had to do things that they didn't feel in their gut was right and trying to find alternative

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