NATO is 75. Will it be around in ten years?

The Bunker

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News, Politics, Society & Culture, Government

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🗓️ 16 August 2024

⏱️ 29 minutes

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This year marks NATO’s 75th anniversary – having survived the Cold War, 9/11 and most recently, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Is NATO’s role is changing, can it hold on to its members – and will it be recognisable in ten years? Will it even exist? Peter Apps, author of Deterring Armageddon: a biography of NATO, joins Ros Taylor in The Bunker to discuss its uncertain future. Buy Deterring Armageddon: a biography of NATO through our affiliate bookshop and you’ll help fund The Bunker by earning us a small commission for every sale. Bookshop.org’s fees help support independent bookshops too. We are sponsored by Indeed. Go to Indeed.com/bunker for £100 sponsored credit. www.patreon.com/bunkercast Written and presented by Ros Taylor. Produced by Eliza Davis Beard. Audio production by Tom Taylor. Managing Editor Jacob Jarvis. Group Editor Andrew Harrison. Art by James Parrett. Music by Kenny Dickinson. THE BUNKER is a Podmasters Production www.podmasters.co.uk Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	It's 2024. We can use robots to clean our flats,
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0:29.3	over beyond. Welcome to the bunker, your need to know on news and politics five days a week. I'm Ros Taylor.
0:43.5	For 75 years a group of European countries plus the US and Canada have had a
0:48.9	remarkable agreement. An attack on any member is considered to be an attack on all and they will come to each other's defense.
0:56.8	NATO has survived and grown during the Cold War 9-11 and the Russian invasion of Ukraine,
1:06.4	but now with Donald Trump threatening to reorientate or even abandon NATO, its future looks uncertain.
1:10.8	Peter Aps is a journalist, army reservist, and the author of deterring Armageddon, a biography of NATO,
1:17.0	and he joins me to talk about the past and future of an organisation that few of us know much about,
1:22.0	but which may just have forestalled a world war or more than one.
1:27.0	Welcome to the bunker, Peter.
1:28.0	Hey Ros, it's good to be here.
1:30.0	Give us a sense of what Europe was like when NATO was set up. There was a huge sense of
1:36.4	fear and insecurity about the Soviet Union, wasn't there?
1:39.3	Yeah, so I think it's interesting to contrast the end of World War II with the end of World War I.
1:44.4	The end of World War I, you know, people were worried about the future, but there wasn't an immediate threat.
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