Book your ticket to happiness with Sun Express Airlines. I'm John that's with great. I'm going Baxer with Gregory Coppley, the editor and publisher of Defense and Foreign Affairs.

We started in West Africa, we go to Germany, Berlin.

Why a leaked German military recording on Ukraine aid is causing an outcry.

This is Reuters in these last hours.

The story is that a 38 minute audio recording of an intercepted online call between senior German military officials an for the Kremlin talking about the bowels of the Bundesfare but at the same time the

question is this is about missiles the storm shadow missile from Britain the

tourist missile from, and whether NATO is

committing ground forces or advisors or missile experts to the defense of Ukraine.

All of those things are possible in these next days.

So Gregory, we can't, this is fog of war.

We can't be definitive about this,

but it would appear that Europe having been reluctant to get involved on the ground

or with weapon systems that it supervises is now turned to page.

How do you see it?

We have a couple of minutes.

Yes, I don't think the situation has really

changed on the ground so much.

We knew about Storm Shadow being deployed

and it's been actually a testing ground for the British on that.

We knew that the Germans were going to be committing the Taurus longer-range cruise missiles

there, so that's not new, and the French with their scalp missiles.

These are all there and we know that as with the US systems, there are, the foreign donor countries are providing experts to train the

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