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Foreign Policy Live

NATO and the War in Ukraine

Foreign Policy Live

Foreign Policy

Politics, News Commentary, News

4601 Ratings

🗓️ 7 July 2023

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

World leaders will gather in Vilnius, Lithuania, next week for NATO’s annual summit. Will Sweden be accepted into the security alliance? Will member states offer security guarantees for Ukraine? Former NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen joins host Ravi Agrawal for insights. Suggested reading: FP Contributors: NATO’s Next Decade Elisabeth Braw: Sweden Is Doing Fine in NATO’s Waiting Room Poll: U.S. Elites Agree on NATO Enlargement Sinan Ciddi: Will Erdogan Finally Ratify Sweden’s NATO Accession? No One Knows. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hi, I'm Ravi Agrawal, Foreign Policy's editor-in-chief. This is FP Live.

0:10.4

Welcome to the show. This weekend marks 500 days of the war in Ukraine. It is with that backdrop that

0:18.0

leaders from 31 NATO countries will assemble in Vilnius Lithuania

0:22.5

in what promises to be a pivotal summit for European security. This year's agenda is expected

0:28.6

to focus on security guarantees for Kiev, Sweden's accession, and NATO's evolving relationship

0:35.3

with China. Here at FP, we've just published a series of short essays

0:40.2

looking at the biggest issues facing NATO.

0:43.1

You can find it on our homepage,

0:45.0

and we've also included it at the top of our show notes.

0:48.4

The authors include Ukrainian foreign minister, Dmitro Kaleba,

0:51.8

who argues that if you want to prevent the next war in Europe,

0:56.5

you need Ukraine in NATO. Other experts like Angela Stent, Leanna Fix, San Marie Slaughter,

1:03.6

and others take on a range of issues from Russia off to Putin to how to deal with China.

1:10.3

One of the authors in the series is Anders Faux Rasmussen, who argues that it's a mistake

1:15.5

to not commit to admitting Ukraine into NATO.

1:19.2

If membership isn't possible, he says, security guarantees are needed right away.

1:24.6

Rasmussen was NATO's Secretary General from 2009 to 2014, and before that,

1:30.1

Prime Minister of Denmark. He's also the founder of the Alliance of Democracies, and you'll hear

1:35.3

us get into a bit of a tiff about that. As always, FP subscribers get to send in questions that

1:41.2

frame these discussions. If you'd like to do that too, subscribe now.

1:45.7

Use the code FP Live for a discount. For now, let's get started.

1:53.2

Anders F. Musum, welcome back to F.P. Live. Thank you for having me.

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