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Foreign Policy Live

Inside the U.S.-China Tech War

Foreign Policy Live

Foreign Policy

Politics, News Commentary, News

4601 Ratings

🗓️ 30 June 2023

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

Over the last few years, the United States has moved to limit China’s technological rise. U.S.-led sanctions have imposed unprecedented limits on Beijing’s access to advanced computing chips. In response, China has accelerated its own efforts to develop its technological industry and reduce its dependence on external imports. Where is U.S.-China tech competition headed? How are other countries being impacted as a result? Technology expert Dan Wang, who was known for his yearly reflections on China when living in Shanghai, joins FP Live host Ravi Agrawal.  Suggested reading: Dan Wang: 2022 Letter Dan Wang: 2021 Letter Jon Bateman: Biden Is Now All-In on Taking Out China Agathe Demarais: How the U.S.-Chinese Technology War Is Changing the World Rishi Iyengar and Liam Scott: What the ChatGPT Moment Means for U.S.-China Tech Competition Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hi, I'm Ravi Agrawal, Foreign Policy's editor-in-chief. This is FP Live.

0:10.6

Welcome to the show. It's fair to say that U.S.-China relations aren't what they used to be.

0:16.7

Their attentions in several aren't, and the most significant of those seems to be technology.

0:23.0

A few years ago, Washington moved to keep companies such as Huawei out of U.S. infrastructure

0:28.3

for fear of Beijing's ability to spy.

0:31.9

Today, the issue isn't just about preventing spying, but containing China's very ability to access high-end computing.

0:40.4

Last year's Chips and Science Act was designed to cut off Beijing's access to the most advanced

0:45.8

semiconductors. I've really come to believe that to understand U.S.-China competition, whether it's

0:51.8

tech or anything else, you first need to understand China

0:55.4

itself. And there is no one better to read, watch, and listen to than Dan Wong. Dan's an analyst

1:02.1

at Gavicle Dragonomics and a visiting scholar at Yale University, and every year he publishes an annual

1:08.1

letter of reflections. These letters are part journalism, part philosophy,

1:12.9

part analysis, but most of all, it's essential reading to try and understand the immense changes

1:18.8

that China is undergoing in front of our eyes. We've linked his letters in the show notes.

1:24.5

So how will competition between China and the United States on technology play out?

1:31.2

Who will win? Why? As always, FP subscribers get to send in questions that frame these discussions.

1:38.5

If you'd like to do that too, subscribe now. Use the code FP live for a discount.

1:43.6

You can also watch these interviews live in video

1:46.2

if you go to foreign policy.com slash live. For now, let's dive in. Dan, thanks for joining us.

1:55.6

Thank you very much for the invitation, Ravi. So I'd like to start a few years back to give our audience some context.

2:03.6

You've been living in China since 2017, and this is at a time when the Trump administration

2:09.6

comes to power.

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