I'm trying to get harder and tougher mentally and physically every day in my life.

You're either the growth mindset or you're the fixed mindset.

If you're trying to be the best, you need to look at who the best is and see what they do.

Relentless pursuit of progress.

There is a difference between the best and the rest and the rest.

Welcome to the Michael Kaz's podcast.

Champions are built in the morning first.

Where we interview scientists, world champions, doctors and experts,

in just about every area of health and fitness.

What do you care enough about?

What are you fascinated enough about to go so deep and learn so much

that you'll know more about it than anyone else.

And now here's your This is Michael Cashew. And today I'm interviewing a guy named

Stacy Bear. Stacey is a former captain in the U.S.

Army where he received a bronze star for merit. He was the 2014 National Geographic

adventurer of the year, or one of them, which I think is probably the coolest title on the planet.

He's been the director of the Sierra Club Outdoors.

He has a TED Talk called Wilderness Revival and a documentary called Adventure Not War.

On this episode, we talk a lot about sobriety and recovery from addiction and how Stacey has

redefined what that means for him rather than just accepting

the traditional story about how sobriety should look and how recovery should look, including

a concept from Gabor Mata, the leading psychologist, I guess you would call him the psychologist,

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