This is the Guardian.

The National Conservatism Conference took place this week in London,

with big figures on the political right lining up to voice their thoughts.

I see no reason why every other country in the world

should be prevented from feeling pride in itself

because the Germans marked up twice in a century.

They included cabinet ministers like Soella Bravenon

once again seeming to position herself as the next Tory leader.

White people do not exist in a special state of sin or collective guilt.

With Rishi Sunak's government still reeling from a terrible set of local election results,

that leads us on to a sobering thought.

Sooner or later might the National Conservatives end up running

not just a Tory party, but the UK.

I'm John Harris and you're listening to politics with the UK for the Guardian.

Joining me today are the former Conservative Cabinet Minister David Gork

and the Chief Leader for the Observer, Sonja Soda. Hello to you both.

Hi. Hello. Hello. Today we are going to be talking about the right

of the Conservative Party, the hard right some would say.

The National Conservatism Conference that has been happening in London

and what it's all about and we will sort of zoom out from there.

To ask the very, very big question about what that conference and the politics it reflects

tells us about where the Tories might be heading.

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