Okay, we are live. Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome to William Ramsey Investigates on today's show of a very special guest. His name is Wayne

Klingman. Last name is spelled C-L-I-N-G-M-A-N. He's a very prolific writer. And it came across his book, Narco Saints. I've been looking to do a show kind of on Santa

but he knows a lot about the border and is written extensively on true crime themes.

And so other subjects that I've covered.

And some of his books are, it seems like his most famous book is the Life and Times of Frank

Ballastriere, the last most powerful godfather of Milwaukee.

And another one is UFO Colts, watch the skies.

And also, like an onion, peel a layer away, discover even more intrigue.

Then the Buffalo mob, the return of organized crime to the Queen City.

Also, Mr. Big Talks, Mr. Big Talks, Blackjack, crap slots in Texas holding poker.

So that's about gambling.

And then also the mafia in Hollywood.

Hollywood is far from Disneyland.

And then dark minds,

bloody hands.

A look at at atypical serial killers.

But we're going to talk about Narcos Saints.

You wrote this with Chris VanderKey.

It is fiction,

but it reads like nonfiction as he clearly knows a lot about the border

and all those kind of drug dealing and cartels and things that are going on like that. So,

Wayne Klingman, welcome to the show. Thank you. I mean, sir. It's a high honor to me here. I really,

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