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On Being with Krista Tippett

Naomi Shihab Nye — “Before You Know Kindness As the Deepest Thing Inside...”

On Being with Krista Tippett

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Society, Spirituality, Society & Culture, Sociology, Culture, Science, Religion & Spirituality, Krista Tippett, Social Sciences, On Being, Arts

4.710.2K Ratings

🗓️ 4 March 2021

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

It’s pretty intriguing to follow poet Naomi Shihab Nye’s idea that most of us actually “think in poems” whether we know it or not. Rarely, as she points out, do you hear anyone say they feel worse after writing things down. That, she says, can be a tool to survive in hard times like these, to anchor our days - and to get into a conversation and community with all of the selves that live on in each of us at any given moment - “your child self, your older self, your confused self, your self-that-makes-a-lot-of-mistakes.” We also hear her read her beloved poem “Kindness” and tell us the story behind it.

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0:00.0

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0:07.8

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0:11.4

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0:16.5

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0:19.0

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0:24.4

It's pretty intriguing to follow Naomi Shehapna's idea that most of us actually think

0:29.9

in poems, whether we know it or not, which she commends as a simple practice of writing,

0:36.5

explains the surprising power of what I know best from a long life of journaling.

0:41.9

The act of writing things down just helps.

0:45.3

As she says, it can be a tool to survive in hard times or to anchor our days, but also

0:51.2

to get into a more gracious community with ourselves, or rather with all of the selves

0:57.2

that live on in each of us at any given moment.

1:00.5

The child's self, your older self, your confused self, your self that makes a lot of mistakes.

1:07.7

Naomi Shehapna was long a self-professed, wandering poet.

1:11.8

Today, she's the young people's poet laureate of the Poetry Foundation, while also a professor

1:17.0

of creative writing at Texas State University.

1:20.6

In one poem, she wrote, called Kindness is held close by people around the world.

1:28.1

Before you know kindness as the deepest thing inside, you must know sorrow as the other

1:33.7

deepest thing.

1:35.2

You must wake up with sorrow.

1:37.7

You must speak to it till your voice catches the threat of all sorrows and you see the

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