Naomi Klein on What Happens When You’re Mistaken for a Conspiracy Theorist

Offline with Jon Favreau

Crooked Media

Society & Culture, News

4.7 • 2K Ratings

🗓️ 5 November 2023

⏱️ 83 minutes

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Summary

Naomi Klein, activist and bestselling author, joins Offline to talk about her new book, Doppelganger, and the woman who inspired it, anti-vax crusader Naomi Wolf. The two are often mistaken for each other, and in Doppelganger Klein wades into the confusion to tell a broader story about the morass of the internet today. She and Jon talk about what it means to build a personal brand in the attention economy, how the pandemic fractured our collective sense of reality, and whether the internet is a good place to build a populist movement. Plus, Max is back from the dead! He and Jon break down Biden’s new executive order on AI and exchange tips on how to have more productive conversations about the destruction in Gaza.

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0:00.0	you talk a lot about how these algorithms
0:04.0	encourage the worst parts of ourselves, right?
0:06.5	But I think we don't talk enough about how
0:08.3	the logic of personal branding intersects with that
0:11.7	and how we actually don't even really believe each other are human online and partly that's because we are performing a thing version of ourselves, right?
0:20.3	Like to be a brand is not to be a human, It's to be a commodity and that has maybe more consequences than we like to admit.
0:28.0	I'm John Favreau. Welcome to offline. Offline. Hey everyone, that was Canadian journalist activist and author Naomi Klein.
0:39.1	I talked to her about her new very offline book, Doppelgganger which discusses the way technology has
0:44.7	scrambled our relationships and our politics through Naomi's journey to understand
0:49.8	her online Doppelganger anti-Vax activist Naomi Wolf.
0:54.0	You'll hear that conversation in a minute.
0:55.6	It was fantastic.
0:56.8	Highly recommend, one of my favorite conversations.
0:59.3	But first, Max Fisher has returned.
1:02.1	Here I am. Back from the dead. So happy to be amid and talking to human beings again.
1:09.0	And so that you really forget about being sick is that it's incredibly boring.
1:13.0	Very boring.
1:14.0	By the end of it, I was sitting on my sofa like slinging Israel
1:17.1	Palestine takes with my cat.
1:18.6	Oh, so you're very...
1:20.4	So that must have felt great.
1:23.0	He's a big two stater,
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