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How is your view of wealth changed as you've actually built it? There's a view of wealth we have when we're young and we're striving.

Has it changed for you now that you're kind of in a different phase?

Maybe in some ways. Listen, I was always ambitious to make more money. I mean, I'm not going to

make any bones about this. I don't think that's a bad thing. I think that I didn't get into the business

I was in in order to make money. You don't go into the political commentary business because you think

you're just going to be loaded at the end of the day. In fact, every time I tried to make money in a way that was not my passion. It ended up failing, which I think is another thing that folks don't realize about people who tend to make a lot of money

is the reason they got into the business that they're in typically is not for the money.

It's because that's where their creative capacity was.

So, for example, I mentioned I went to law school at Harvard Law, right?

You come out.

You have a trajectory now. You're going to make a lot of money because you go to Harvard Law, the chances you end up poor are pretty low. So, you know, I go,

I work at a firm called Goodwin Proctor. And I'm like, you know, first of all, I had the worst interview

record in the history of Harvard Law because I was conservative and that didn't work out well with the law off my resume. I got a job, and I ended up working in, like, real estate law. And so I'm sitting

at this beautiful office in Century City and looking out, you know, over the, over the hills,

toward the ocean, and it's 2007. And so there's no work, right? It's the end of the, it's the end

of 2007. The real estate market has collapsed. You're sitting there doing nothing all miserable. And I was making what was, you know, great money coming out of law schools, like $180,000.

And it was coming out of law school, that's a lot of money.

And it's still a lot of money.

I was dating my wife at the time.

We'd gotten engaged.

And she saw, she's like, you're absolutely miserable.

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