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The Ezra Klein Show

My View on A.I.

The Ezra Klein Show

New York Times Opinion

Society & Culture, Government, News

4.611K Ratings

🗓️ 19 March 2023

⏱️ 16 minutes

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Summary

This is something a bit different: Not an interview, but a commentary of my own. We’ve done a lot of shows on A.I. of late, and there are more to come. On Tuesday, GPT-4 was released, and its capabilities are stunning, and in some cases, chilling. More on that in Tuesday’s episode. But I wanted to take a moment to talk through my own views on A.I. and how I’ve arrived at them. I’ve come to believe that we’re in a potentially brief interregnum before the pace of change accelerates to a rate that is far faster than is safe for society. Here’s why. Column: “This Changes Everything” by Ezra Klein Episode Recommendations: Sam Altman on the A.I. revolution Brian Christian on the alignment problem Gary Marcus on the case for A.I. skepticism Ted Chiang on what humans really fear about A.I. Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected]. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs. “The Ezra Klein Show” is produced by Emefa Agawu, Annie Galvin, Jeff Geld, Roge Karma and Kristin Lin. Fact-checking by Rollin Hu. Mixing by Isaac Jones. Original music by Isaac Jones and Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.

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0:00.0

I'm Ezra Klein. This is the Ezra Con Show.

0:07.0

So this is a bit of something different, a bit of an experiment. I got two parts to my

0:14.7

work here at the times. I do the podcast and I do my columns. And the podcast is really

0:19.2

where I explore what other people think, the columns is where I work out what I think.

0:24.6

But sometimes I want to cross the streams a little bit more than I do because there's

0:28.9

a tendency for people to think that whatever podcast I did last on the topic is what

0:33.9

my actual view is. We're going to be covering AI a lot. You might have seen GPT-4 just

0:39.5

came out. That's a big deal. What it can do is a really big deal. We're going to have

0:43.4

a big conversation around that on Tuesday. But I just wrote a column trying to work through

0:49.2

my own thinking on AI and why it's come to dominate so much my thinking. And I thought

0:54.4

about read it here to give people a bit of context for the coverage we're doing and

0:59.9

where I'm coming from as I do it.

1:01.4

So in 2018, Sundar Prasad, the chief executive of Google, and I would say he's not one of

1:12.6

the tech executives, no one for constant overstatement. He said and I quote, AI is probably

1:19.2

the most important thing humanity has ever worked on. I think of it as something more

1:24.0

profound than electricity or fire to hell of a quote. And I was back in 2018 when these

1:30.8

systems were a lot weaker than they are now. Try to live. I've been trying to live for

1:37.0

a few minutes in the possibility that what he's saying is true. People talk about human

1:44.2

cognitive biases all the time, but there's no more profound human bias than the expectation

1:49.4

that tomorrow is going to be like today. It's so powerful because it is almost always

1:53.6

correct. Tomorrow probably will be like today and next year probably will be like this

1:57.8

year. But try to cast your gaze 10 or 20 years out. One thing that's been unnerving me,

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