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Hi, everyone. Welcome to another edition of My Life in Four Trades. Joining me today is Ben

Harberg, founder and managing partner at MSA Capital. Hi, Ben. Welcome to My Life in Four Trades.

Thanks for having me. So, before we jump in, it's our tradition to learn a little bit about your

background. So, where did you grow up and what were you like as a kid? No-matic. Born in Colorado,

but lived in five U.S. states and two other countries before I even hit college. And since I

graduated from college, I left the U.S. and haven't been back. So, the true definition of no man.

Yeah, or a global citizen, as others would like to call it. How is it that you moved around so much?

Beginning was my dad's job. He was working in large for General Motors and moving around to

different countries and geographies for that. And then since graduate from college, I always wanted

to live and work out in the world. And I made that happen from day one. Yeah, it's amazing. So,

why is it that sparked your interest about kind of being this global no-mad? When you were a kid,

did you know that or is it just kind of what your existence was and what you were familiar with?

No, certainly. I went to an international school in Zurich for a few years of high school and

we were competing in sports against teams from as far away as Israel or Egypt and Germany and

Austria and France and kind of, you know, we traveled around the world a lot. And I just feel

very comfortable out in the world and I communicate and do business and engage well with other people.

So, I just wanted to be out there with them. Yeah. So, what did you want to be? Did you know you wanted

to go into finance or is there another job you thought you'd do? No, my career, my dream job at the

time was to be a diplomat. So, to go into the foreign service to do something along those lines.

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