My fear, of course, is that this is just a repackaging of the genocide.

It's going to be genocide repackaged.

It's occupation repackaged.

This isn't a pathway to liberation, for Israel at least.

It's a pathway to continued control.

That said, you know, I think there's another aspect to this, which we have to look at.

The Israelis wanted to ethnically cleanse Gaza. Look at the polls. You know, I live here.

82% were saying that they want to see Gaza completely ethnically cleansed. Israel didn't manage to do that.

They didn't manage to do that. They didn't manage to do that.

Welcome everybody to a new episode of the Makhti Street podcast. We're delighted today to be

joined by Deanna Boutu, who's a Canadian Palestinian lawyer. And having participated in the

early stages of Israeli-Palestinian negotiations in the 1990s,

she's an ideal authority to discuss what's been called the peace process.

And in particular, given the context today, she's returned to the podcast to discuss the plan for Gaza issued by the Trump White House,

the first phase of which is due to take place in the coming hours.

So we're very glad to have Deanna to welcome her to the show

and welcome Deanna.

And hopefully you're going to help us navigate what is going on

because there's so much happening.

But maybe a good place to begin would be to discuss what the parameters of the so-called Trump plan are,

just a big, like a big picture overview.

And then we'll come back and talk about what's actually happening on the ground, where we are, where we go,

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