Well, folks, on Thursday, I had the opportunity to have a conversation with Elon Musk, obviously

the founder of SpaceX and Tesla, the richest man on planet Earth, and also the owner and the person

running X, which is Twitter. And Elon and I had a long conversation about anti-Semitism on the site,

because Elon has gotten into this fractious battle with the Anti-Defamation League.

Here's what it sounded like.

Hey, everybody. Welcome. So glad you could join us here. I'm Ben Shapiro. I'd first like to thank everybody for being here. I'd like to thank my co-host, Rabbi Dr. Ari Lam. He's the CEO of Benet Cohn. It's an organization dedicated to promoting Israel and Judaism through new media. And of course, we all want to thank Elon Musk, who asked if we could come together for what's sure to be a fascinating and meaningful conversation. One of the things that nobody can deny about Elon is that he's willing to speak publicly on pretty much everything, and tonight is no exception. Now, most of you have probably seen by now that Elon is at war with the Anti-Defamation League, the ADL. It's a group that was once dedicated to fighting anti-Semitism in non-partisan fashion of late. They become significantly more

partisan in their progressive politics, to say the least. Like a lot of progressive interest groups,

the ADL would love more controls on dissemination of speech at acts. They, like a lot of other

organizations, are doing so by pressuring advertisers to move their dollars away from the platform. Well, a few weeks ago, Musk posted on X saying that the ADL has been trying to kill his platform, falsely accusing him of being antisemitic. They said that if this continues, he said that, that he will have no choice but to file a defamation suit against them, which is obviously pretty funny, considering it's the anti-defamation league. Now, as I said on my show, when this was unfolding, Elon happens to be right on the merits here. The legacy media, multinational institutions, left-wing interest groups, they have been converging on Elon's as a ex as a supposed source of rising hate speech, and they've been doing so in really opportunistic fashion from pretty much every angle. Until Musk took over X, they were largely running things in terms

of which messages to silence or quash. These institutions are generally in favor of more censorship,

more restrictions on speech. That censorship has often been used to shut down not merely material

we all agree is gross or violent or despicable,

but to shut down a bunch of material that doesn't actually meet with approved narratives, whether we're talking about COVID or transgenderism or foreign policy. These organizations get what they want at a lot of other platforms like YouTube and Facebook, but they're not getting it at acts, which is one of the reasons why they're very, very angry. So for the first part of this conversation,

Elon Musk and I are going to discuss what it takes to preserve free speech while battling activists, third parties, pushing censorship, dictating what is considered, quote, quote,

brand safe for advertisers. And then in the second half of this conversation, Rabbi Dr. Lamb is

going to lead a discussion about how the ADL and anti-Semitism affect speech issues discuss Elon's feelings

and experiences regarding Judaism more broadly, and then we'll open it up to some questions

from a few esteemed leaders in the Jewish community. So that's enough from me. Without

further ado, Elon, welcome to your own website. Really appreciate it. Why don't we jump into

to, you know, the issue.

I, I, I just wanted to do say that your preamble was, um, spot on. I couldn't have said

a better myself. Um, that is exactly the situation. Um, it's absurd on, I mean, first of all, um,

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