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Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast

“My Brain Finally Broke” with Jia Tolentino

Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast

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4.68.9K Ratings

🗓️ 24 June 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

Jia Tolentino, a staff writer at The New Yorker, joins to discuss how AI is changing our perception of the world, how online content can make us more likely to detach from reality and more.

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0:00.0

Why is there this mass deskilling experiment at a time when with the skills we have, we're already not doing very well, like living in contemporary reality?

0:17.0

Like we are already kind of psychologically unequipped to live in this contemporary reality,

0:21.7

and our response to it is like further deskill ourselves by handing over basic kind of questions of

0:28.7

comprehension of reality to chat GPT. It just seems like, yeah, on a very pragmatic level,

0:35.5

all of this aside, it's like on a selfish level, I can't deskill myself anymore than I already am because I'm already not doing well.

0:58.1

Hello and welcome. Why is this happening with me, your host, Chris Hayes. In the last, I would say, like, week, I've had three interactions with unreal portions of the

1:06.1

internet that have really kind of shaken me.

1:08.0

The first was a TikTok video fed to me by the algorithm of

1:12.9

homeless people in Chicago pitching tents on buses. And it was not, it was like photo realistic.

1:19.5

Like it looked like a local news package. And at first I was like what? And then as I watch,

1:24.0

I was like this is not like the physics don't actually work here. Like, none of this works.

1:27.7

But it took me, I had to watch it.

1:30.0

And I watched it again to be like, oh, this is an AI generated image that looks a lot like a local news package.

1:37.2

That doesn't look rendered and surreal.

1:40.7

It looks crisp and like it would actually look like.

1:43.3

The tents had cinder blocks at the

1:45.3

corners to like weigh down the place that the posts would have gone into the soil. And I was like,

1:51.2

well, that's weird. Like this doesn't exist. Someone is trying to make it as if it is, does exist to get

1:56.7

engagement, I guess. Then I had another video I saw that was like this crazy incident happening

2:02.5

on a plane. And it was just, it looked real, photorealistic. It's a person like holding their

2:09.8

phone and they're like to sort of see other people on the, on the plane gasping and someone's

2:15.7

getting thrown out and it's like this big scene.

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