Mustafa Barghouti: Can Palestinians improve their situation?
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BBC
4.3 • 537 Ratings
🗓️ 17 March 2023
⏱️ 24 minutes
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Summary
Stephen Sackur speaks to Palestinian politician, physician and civil rights activist Mustafa Barghouti. The seemingly endless Israeli-Palestinian conflict could be on the brink of getting a lot worse. If the two-state solution is dead, what option do the Palestinians have?
(Photo: Mustafa Barghouti, leader of the Palestinian National Initiative, appears via videolink on Hardtalk)
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Hard Talk on the BBC World Service with me, Stephen Saka. |
| 0:04.1 | My guest today perhaps take some grim satisfaction from the fact that his political pessimism |
| 0:10.2 | some three decades ago has proven well justified. |
| 0:13.9 | Back then, the Palestinian physician, politician and civil rights activist Mustafa Barguti |
| 0:19.5 | condemned the secretive Oslo peace deal between the |
| 0:23.3 | Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and the Israeli government led by Yitzhak Rabin as a mistake and a betrayal |
| 0:29.4 | of Palestinian aspirations. And sure enough, over the following years, the high hopes for Oslo |
| 0:35.2 | that it would lead to a lasting two-state solution have been dashed. |
| 0:39.7 | The Palestinians, post-Arafat, have been left with a Palestinian authority which has lost |
| 0:44.7 | any claim to democratic legitimacy, long ago ceded control of Gaza to the Islamists of Hamas, |
| 0:50.9 | and has failed to stop Israel massively expanding its settlement program in the |
| 0:55.9 | occupied West Bank. As of last year, Israel has the most right-wing, hawkish government in its history, |
| 1:02.0 | while the Palestinian Authority is led by 87-year-old Mahmoud Abbas, whose main focus seems to be |
| 1:07.9 | on trying to maintain his fragile grip on his office. |
| 1:11.5 | There are signs that many young Palestinians in the West Bank now see a return to armed struggle |
| 1:17.2 | as their only option. Decades of hostility and sporadic violence could morph into something |
| 1:22.6 | much worse. Does Mustafa Barguti, who talks the language of civil resistance, not armed conflict, |
| 1:29.5 | have concrete ideas that stand a chance of improving his people's situation. Well, he joins me now |
| 1:35.3 | from Ramallah. Welcome to Hard Talk. Thank you. Nice to be with you. Good to have you on the show. Let's |
| 1:41.0 | start with the situation in the West Bank where you sit in Ramallah. |
| 1:46.3 | Is there any semblance of political authority or control in the West Bank right now? |
| 1:53.5 | Unfortunately, the existing authority is the acute authority of occupation, Israeli military |
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