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Wretched Radio with Todd Friel

MUST WE DIVIDE? IS IT POSSIBLE TO FIGHT FOR LIFE WITHOUT COMPROMISING TRUTH?

Wretched Radio with Todd Friel

Fortis Institute

Religion, Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.9 • 3.1K Ratings

🗓️ 3 March 2025

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

Segment 1:



• Christians struggle to disagree well—social media makes it worse.



• Todd & Scott Klusendorf have debated for years but remain friends.



• Theological debates often aren’t about core doctrine but secondary issues.



Segment 2:



• You can reason someone into being pro-life, but only the Gospel saves.



• Pro-life work must be gospel-driven, not just about changing culture.



• Objective morality requires an objective moral lawgiver—atheists borrow from Christianity.



Segment 3:



• Scott partners with Catholics on pro-life issues—Todd is hesitant.



• Does working together send a false unity message?



• If the Gospel isn’t clearly proclaimed, is it worth the partnership?



Segment 4:



• Both sides want abortion abolished—disagreement is on strategy.



• Incrementalism saves lives now, abolitionists demand immediate justice.



• Are abolitionists hurting their cause by rejecting practical steps?



Watch the full interview, Breaking Bread with Scott Klusendorf, on Fortis+ https://fortisplus.org/tabs/search/video-series/31197



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Transcript

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0:00.0

Ritchard Radio begins in three, two, one.

0:09.0

So it's not a sin in your church you have an abortion?

0:11.5

That's the kind of conversation we would have,

0:13.7

finding out your story, where you're from.

0:16.3

God's the judge.

0:17.4

People have to live to their own conviction.

0:19.2

The science is clear.

0:20.6

The Bible is clear.

0:22.1

And if we're honest, our intuitions are clear. We know what we're killing. We're killing a human

0:29.1

being. It's time for Wretched Radio with Todd Friel. What's the most important pro-life question

0:35.9

no one seems to be asking right now?

0:38.7

This is Wretched Radio and no, no, I'm not Todd Friel.

0:42.2

I'm Jimmy Hicks and this is going to be a little bit different today.

0:45.9

We are going to listen in on a conversation that Todd had with the president of the Life

0:51.9

Training Institute and host of our Life is Best Resource, Scott Klusendorf.

0:57.4

Those two got together and recorded an episode of Breaking Bread.

1:00.8

And we are going to take the opportunity to listen in on this conversation because I think it's a vital conversation,

1:06.9

especially with how the world has been changing just this year.

1:11.1

Well, Mr. Klusendorf, can I call you Mr. Klusendorf?

1:14.2

It sounds so germane to the subject.

1:16.4

I've discovered something else we disagree on.

1:19.3

Oh, my goodness.

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