I'm Kate Winkler Dawson. I'm a journalist who's spent the last 25 years writing about

true crime. And I'm Paul Holtz, a retired cold case investigator who's worked some of America's most complicated cases and solved them.

Each week I present Paul with one of history's most compelling true crimes.

And I weigh in using modern forensic techniques to bring new

insights to old mysteries. Together using our individual expertise we're

examining historical true crime cases through a 21st century lens.

Some are solved and some are cold.

Very cold.

This is buried bones. and Hey Kate, how are you doing?

I'm doing well. Hey Kate, how are you doing?

I'm doing well.

I've been non-stop reading the next part of what we're going to be talking about the

Vera Page story.

I think we just need to kind of jump into it because there's so much to cover.

You said in part one, you were pretty impressed so far with Dr. Spillsbury as a forensic pathologist and everything he was able to do in 1931 so long ago.

Well, I think what I like, because you often don't get this from pathologist,

but I like the fact that he was taking a look at the physical evidence,

whether that be the medical evidence or the physical evidence on Vera's body on her clothing,

and was trying to discern information to help give the investigation some leads.

We don't see that very often from pathologist today.

So for me that that is just reassuring that somebody is thinking.

Yeah he's very Sherlock Holmesian I think Spillsbury and if you read more of his cases

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