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This is buried bones. So, Hey Paul. Hey Kate, how are you? I'm doing pretty well. How about you? I am doing fine. So what's been going on in your world? I am a permanent resident of Algebra City with my kid.

What does that mean?

Did you help your kids ever with math?

It is terrible for me.

Did you ever, were you that dad who helped with the

homework and stuff? No, you know, my wife pretty much handles all the homework

assignments with the kids. I have just maybe on a handful of occasions just kind of poked over the shoulders and said,

hey, try this and walked away.

So that's sort of my, you know, I'm so far removed, I think.

Yeah, I would have to go back and study in order to really be of any help and now my youngest kids I mean they're a senior and junior

They're taking calculus yet. There's no way there's no way. Well well I was going to ask you that first of

all number one it sounds like what I've picked up over the past year in a couple of

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