Hi, Mary.

What you've been doing?

If you listen to this show, you know what we do after Big Mueller News.

I just thought it's been, like, the best part of my year devoted to watching Mueller testimony.

I talked to Slate's Dahlia Lithwick.

Before the hearings happened, you wrote this article that was like a curtain lifter.

You called these hearings a game of chicken between chickens.

Why? Partly because the image was so hilarious to me that I, of chicken between chickens.

Why?

Partly because the image was so hilarious to me that I couldn't let it go.

My sense was that this was going to be a kind of standoff where House Democrats and Mueller were each going to try to play this game of chicken where somebody was going to say,

okay, I'm taking responsibility. And in a weird way, they were both two chicken to do that.

Was it a game of chicken between chickens? Or was it something else?

I mean, it depends on, I think, what you're deliverable is. And I've never used that word in a sentence. But I'm going to, I'm just wacky after hours of testimony. But I think what you're deliverable is, and I've never used that word in a sentence. But I'm just

wacky after hours of testimony. But I think if you expected a whole lot of hearts and minds

to watch this, you know, sort of summer movie spectacular with the helicopters and the blowing up,

like, no, that didn't happen. Did anyone really think that was going to happen?

I don't know. But I think in the aggregate, the highlights real, at least on the Democratic side, they said what they needed to say. They got the big findings of the Mueller report out on the record. and he didn't fight them about those findings.

So it's not a summer blockbuster. It's maybe like an art house film that gets an Oscar.

In black and white, with hats and lots of like rain and crying.

Today on the show, Dolly's going to translate this art house film for the rest of us.

I'm Mary Harris. You are listening to What Next? Stick with us.

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