Welcome back, everybody, to the second half of our conversation, the Natch Butte,

Forever 35, Jackie Dorian, Kate, crossover podcast.

Jackie, would you even call it a Natch Butte crossover or you've left the brand like that

as you've retired that Natch Butte is, I mean, it's not officially retired, but it's

not active.

So you are your own brand, Jackie, the Patreon is Patreon.com slash Jackie Johnson, honey,

there's no Natch Butte happening here we go.

I barely bring up.

We care.

Well, we, you might have to because we have some questions.

No, I need to, I, it's this void in my life now, I have nobody to talk to about it.

Like, I just got that beauty of shows and Korean sunscreen that's going around TikTok.

I'm kind of like, I can't tell anyone about this, who's going to talk to me somewhere.

Do you miss talking about a little beauty, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely was a part

of my life for so long and it is a big interest of mine.

It always has been, that's what sparked the whole idea.

So yeah, I, I have no one to talk to about any of the new things I've found at my new routine

and I mean, nothing.

Well, it's nice to be able to do it like on your own terms, right?

Yes.

Not to feel obligated and then, you know, kind of feels like a slog after a while.

Well, it was feeling a little sloggy, but I mean, it's been almost a year, so I'm ready

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