Welcome to The Our Head House interview.

This is Jasmine Singer.

This is Mary Ann Sullivan.

And we're so excited today to welcome to the show, Dr. Michael Clapper.

And welcome back, our friend, Dr. Zach Burns.

And they will be talking about how to move medicine forward,

both by way of Dr. Clapper's newest book, Moving Medicine Forward, and by the Moving Medicine

Forward Initiative of which Dr. Clapper is the executive director and Dr. Burns is the

associate director. That's working to change the way medical schools deal with

diet. And oh my God, do we need this now more than ever? In addition, Dr. Clapper is a renowned

clinician and educator with over 50 years in health care, focusing on diet-based interventions

to combat chronic diseases. And Dr. Burns is a family medicine practitioner,

assistant professor, and a dedicated advocate for plant-based nutrition. I will also say Dr. Burns

is here in Rochester, New York. So Marianne and I get the benefit of actually being friends

with him in real time. We could say he is a wonderful guy. Dr. Clapper, we are sure you are too,

and we hope that you come visit us sometimes soon in Rochester. Welcome to our headhouse to both

of you. Thank you. Thank you. It is a delight to have you. And as I mentioned, what a time.

What a time to be alive. What a time to be discussing these issues. We'll get to all of that in just a

moment. But before we do, just a quick reminder about the Our Hen House podcast. Rising Anxieties

comes out on Tuesdays, the hen report on Thursdays and the long form interview. That's this on Fridays.

Bonus for flock members comes out on Monday. And for today, we're going to do a Q&A

with the flock who's here because it's Flock Friday. So if you are listening to this and you're

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