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Happier with Gretchen Rubin

Move Happier: What’s Your “Organizing Style?” Gretchen Rubin on the Clutterbug Podcast

Happier with Gretchen Rubin

Lemonada Media

Education, Health & Fitness, Self-improvement

4.713.2K Ratings

🗓️ 19 April 2026

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

I talk with professional organizer Cassandra Aarssen, creator of the viral Clutterbug “Organizing Styles” (Bee, Butterfly, Ladybug, Cricket). In her work, she sees the same problem over and over: people can get organized, but they can’t keep it that way. We explore why—and how the Four Tendencies can help. Get in touch: podcast@gretchenrubin.com Visit Gretchen's website to learn more about Gretchen's best-selling books, products from The Happiness Project Collection, and the Happier app. Find the transcript for this episode on the episode details page in the Apple Podcasts app. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Lemonada. What if the life you built online suddenly became real and completely out of your control?

0:12.9

In Caro Claire Burke's debut novel yesteryear, Natalie is a tradwife influencer with a picture-perfect

0:19.3

life and millions of followers.

0:21.4

Until she wakes up in 1855 and everything she's been romanticizing becomes something she has to survive.

0:28.5

Carol Claire Burke is also the co-host of the podcast, Diabolical Lies,

0:32.8

and readers are calling this book impossible to put down with a twist that's completely off the rails in the best way.

0:40.1

Yesteryear is available now in print, audio, and ebook.

0:59.9

Hello and welcome to Move Happier, a bonus episode of the Happier with Gretchen Rubin podcast designed to pair with your 26 minutes of daily movement for the Move 26 challenge.

1:07.0

Today's episode is a perfect one for listening to while you move because we're talking about clutter.

1:12.7

And clearing clutter absolutely counts as movement.

1:16.3

I'm sharing a conversation I had with Cass Arson, who's known to her 3 million followers as Clutterbug.

1:23.2

She's a professional organizer with a viral framework that splits people into four organizing

1:28.4

styles, ladybugs, butterflies, bees, and crickets.

1:33.7

If you want to find out your type, you can take her quiz at clutterbug.m.E.

1:39.1

In her work, Cass kept running into the same problem. People can find the right system and yet still not be able to stick with it.

1:47.1

So we'll talk about why organizing systems fail and how the four tendencies can help you actually follow through.

1:54.6

Here's my conversation with Cass,. Clutterbug.

2:07.8

Hello, Gretchen, welcome to the Clutterbug podcast.

2:11.1

Hello, I'm so happy to be talking to you.

2:19.6

You, I mean, I don't want a fan girl on you. We have spoken before, but you are definitely a hero of mine.

2:21.8

It's true.

2:26.1

When I first started my journey, I had never read a self-help book before.

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