Hey everybody, welcome back to the Blister podcast on the Blister Podcast Network. I'm Jonathan Ellsworth

and you, well, you are probably really awesome and I hope you are having a great day. And you can

also go check out everything that we are up to at blisterreview.com.

Okay, today we are talking about backcountry education.

And actually, we are also talking about, you know, some very highfalutin terms like

pedagogy and effective teaching.

And the fact that sometimes we can be factually correct, but still not package things

and package instruction in ways that drive home information in the most compelling

or lasting ways.

And since we are on the brink of another winter here, at least in the Northern Hemisphere,

we always like to start getting people thinking about backcountry education and safe

mountain travel.

And today we've got a new option for you in the kind of curriculum, you might say.

Our guest today is IFMGA certified guide Mark Smiley.

And Mark is also the founder of Mountain Sense.

Now, the URL for this is mtnsense.com.

And if you go to mtnscense.com, what you will find are a number of videos on different topics related to safe mountain travel and backcountry education.

And not only is Mark incredibly experienced in the mountains.

He has created this rather enormous catalog of online courses, they are online videos,

that I think many people will find quite compelling.

So in my conversation with Mark, we get into the question of whether Mark

views the Mountain Sense videos as a compliment or as kind of an alternative to some of the other

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