All right welcome listeners to episode 49 of Know Your Enemy. I'm Matt Sitman your podcast co-host and I'm here with my great friend Sam at their bell. Hey Sam.

Hi Matt.

I'm really excited for this episode.

Me too.

For a change of pace, we're excited for an episode of the podcast.

Most episodes I hate, but this one I'm really excited for.

And it's because we had a really superb guest. It was really wonderful to talk with her.

Our guest was Michelle Nickerson, who is an associate professor of history at Loyola University, Chicago,

where she teaches courses on the history of women and gender, U.S. politics, social movement, cities and suburbs in American religion.

We had her on to talk about her great book, kind of a I think a landmark book in conservative historiography.

Mother's of conservatism, women in the post were right, which was published in 2012 by Princeton University Press.

And she also co-authored a volume of essays titled Sunbelt Rising, The Politics of Place, Space, and Region, with University of Pennsylvania Press.

She was terrific.

She really was.

We've both had this book for a long time. We flipped through it before.

We decided that we absolutely had to do an episode on it once we read it more thoroughly.

And what it really is and what we get into in the episode is it's a social history of women on the right.

So whereas a lot of our episodes are more focused on intellectuals and on the ideas, this episode is really focused on activists,

and in particular, activists, women, and what activist women brought to post work conservatism,

from their own kind of gender experience, their experience in the home and in work and in their caregiving and family and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Yes.

Really a fascinating book.

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