Hello and welcome to Money Talks, a special extra podcast from Slate Money, where we chat with

brilliant and interesting people. I'm Emily Peck. I'm a correspondent and Axios and co-host

of Slate Money.. I'm here today with

Adam Chandler. He's the author of the new book 99% Perspiration, a new working history of the

American Way of Life. And it's a book that looks at what he says is one of the foundational myths

of the United States, that hard work will lead to success, which is sad

because I worked hard to bring you this podcast today. Welcome, Adam. Thank you for having me.

I can't wait to talk about the foundational myth and maybe just talk about how we're feeling

and how people are feeling right now about overwork. And that's all coming up after the break

on Slate Money Talks.

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Adam, this show won't air for a little bit, but we were talking during the first week of the Trump administration, which is why I wanted to start off by asking you about something very important, which is Emily and Paris, the Netflix show.

Yeah, yeah.

I only just watched it recently years after everyone was like talking about it. I really enjoyed it,

I have to say. It was very distracting. But you include Emily and Paris as like a foundational part of your book. What's going on there? What does Emily and

Paris teach us? Well, so like a lot of other people, during the pandemic, in the early days, the pandemic,

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