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Trump Math & Techno-Fascism

Slate Money

Slate Podcasts

Investing, Business

4.3988 Ratings

🗓️ 1 March 2025

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

This week: Trump has proposed a $5 million “gold card” for US citizenship, suggesting that the US could sell 10 million of them to pay off the national debt. Felix Salmon, Emily Peck, and Elizabeth Spiers discuss the logic behind this considering the similar programs that already exist and the possible pool of candidates. Then, they discuss guest Kyle Chayka’s recent piece in the New Yorker comparing Silicon Valley invasion of the government, led by Elon Musk, to the “techno-fasiscts” of 1930s Japan. And finally, the danger of black plastic kitchen utensils was debunked after the discovery of a simple math error. But the “zombie fact” is still affecting sales.  In the Slate Plus episode: The $19 Strawberry and Rise of Luxury Food Want to hear that discussion and hear more Slate Money? Join Slate Plus to unlock weekly bonus episodes. Plus, you’ll access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. You can subscribe directly from the Slate Money show page on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Or, visit slate.com/moneyplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Jessamine Molli and Cheyna Roth. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to sleep money, your guide to the business and finance news of the week.

0:18.1

I'm Felix Simon of Axios with Emily Peck of Axios.

0:21.2

Hello, hello. With Elizabeth Spires of the New York Times.

0:24.4

Hello.

0:25.3

And with an incredibly special guest, zooming in from Washington, D.C., the one and only

0:31.7

Kyle Chaker. Hello. Kyle, welcome. Who are you? Introduce yourself.

0:42.2

I am Kyle Chaka. I'm a New Yorker staff writer and author.

0:48.8

Yeah, plug your books into your onslaid money. All right. Well, so my second most recent book is called Filter World, Colon, How Algorithms Flattened Culture. It's about how digital platforms and algorithmic feeds are bad for the art we consume.

0:59.0

I really like people who introduce their book by saying the word colon.

1:04.1

This subtitle is important.

1:06.1

Like when you sell your nonfiction book, they will be like, okay, but what's the subtitle?

1:10.4

I think probably at least 50% of the conversations with my editor, like, what is the subtitle

1:15.3

going to be? But yes, filter world go out and buy it at McNally Jackson or whatever your local

1:21.3

bookstore is. Kyle is going to help us talk through the rise of the technocrats, which is a subject that he wrote about

1:30.5

in New Yorker this week. We are also going to talk about the guys running the government,

1:35.9

people like Scott Vesson and Donald Trump in their relationship with the truth and whether

1:40.0

it matters, whether they're telling the truth when they say that the private sector is in a recession

1:45.3

or that they're going to sell 5 million gold card fees, things.

1:49.8

We are going to talk about black spatulas, of course, because we need to know what that was all about.

1:57.0

Apparently they were unsafe a minute, but now they're safe again.

1:59.8

We have a slateate Plus segment on

2:01.3

expensive food, things like $18 strawberries. Strawberries and shrimp cocktails and that. There is,

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