Hello, and welcome to Money Talks, the very special part of Slate Money, where we talk to the most interesting people in the world about the most interesting subjects in the world.

I'm Felix Salmon of Bloomberg.

I'm here with Emily Peck of Axios.

Hello, hello.

And we are talking to one of the most interesting people in the world,

one and only, Mitu Gulati.

Me too, welcome.

Welcome back, I should say.

Thank you so much.

It's been almost four or five years since we last talked about Venezuela, I think.

Venezuelan debt and how to restructure it.

Who knows?

Oh, my God, those were the days.

Imagine a world where people talked about restructural.

Oh, never mind. But yeah, Me Too. First of all, introduce yourself who I am.

I am an obscure law professor at the University of Virginia, and I work on the topic of hazards in boilerplate contracts. I am completely obsessed with boilerplate contracts.

Okay, so I did mention at the top of this show that the whole point about money talks is that we

talk to the most interesting people in the world about the most interesting subjects in the world.

Emily, yes, sir. I have a question for you. Is legal boilerplate

one of the most interesting subjects in the world? Felix? Yes. I'm so happy you said that because

I think so too. I was looped in to an email between the two of you And without any context, it said something like,

I can't wait to talk about landmines when you come on. And I was like, what? Landmines? Are we

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