I'm so glad that we've got to control and talk about it because, you know, I work with

thousands of mothers and I speak to, I mean, I'm just constantly speaking to mothers about what

they find hard about their lives. And what I see is this really strong red thread of control.

And so I've thought a lot about control. And I think control for me is about wanting to feel safe.

In a way, it makes it sense, right? Because our brain is actually wired for predictability and for safety.

So we sort of make that calculation, miscalculation that if I can control everything, somehow I'll be safe and my kids will be safe.

Because our brains hate uncertainty and they hate

what you and I are suggesting, which is can you trust a little bit more? Everything in our brains,

right, is going to wrestle that idea down to the ground. How have you made the shift from self-recllaimed

control-free to enter more of this intuitive, trusting, present self.

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