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I try and do half an hour a day just completely with my girls.

Like I just try and be as present as I absolutely can be.

And I have to put my phone in another room because I found that when I was trying to do that

and my phone was pinging and I know I was waiting for an important

email, I would say to the girls, I'm just going to get a glass of water, but it was an excuse to check

my phone. Like I felt like I don't have any willpower unless the device is in another room.

Why is that? Like, is that quite normal? What is it about that pull to that

device when we have the intention of being present with something else? Yeah. So, I mean,

our brain is an engine. And whatever pattern you set in your engine is the pattern that

becomes more efficient and easier to repeat. So if we've set ourselves

a certain pattern of phone use, then it is rather tricky to navigate against that. But one of

the things that I want to mention to you, Zoe, is from what you've said, phone use, rather

than being the cause being the phone itself, it's a

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