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This phrase that I love and it says new level, new devil. And the reason I love that

so much is because every time you go

up a level in your life, you know, you have another child or you have a first child or you find a

career you love or you leave your job and you, you know, whatever it is, every time you go up a level,

without doubt you are faced with all the stuff that stopped you getting there sooner.

It's almost like you say in step four, the tests from the from the universe is that's what it is

isn't it? And I feel like, you know, I've had the same trajectory and you're right. You know,

I think there's this myth that self-development is something that you do

and then you're done and you carry on with your life.

And that is not my experience at all.

Sometimes like, you remember that game at the fair where you had to like keep whacking

and every time you whacked something, another one would pop up?

It's like that.

It's like that.

You know, right, I'm going to work on my confidence and then suddenly something else pops up and then you're going to work

on that and then you're going to it's just it's a it's a way to live is the way that I see it not like

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