I remember listening to your music when I was in secondary school a lot, and I remember

listening to a lot of your records more recently as well, and even, you know, like, as

when I knew what you were coming in today, I started, like, going back through my whole

back catalogue of your music. At the time when you made it, as you said then, in the UK,

hip hop scene, as a white male, as a fucking stagger and accomplishment. Like, do you

know, genuinely it is. I'm like, I know a lot because you might not know this, but you're

from the jump off days. Yep. And I'm all the don't flock boys that all best friends are

mind like, I don't know if you know, you know, you know, you know, I don't know if you

know, you know, you know, you'll be offended. But like, you know, I've got a jump to it.

You're course, I'm not sure. So these are all my boys. Yeah, yeah.

They're Manchester and like, they used to come to my house sometimes for five days in a row

and like, stay at my house and dead wrap and stuff. I used to write music back in those

days as well. But watching how talented a lot of these people are at what they do and

still a lot of them haven't made it like you did makes me big the question. It's like,

what were the factors that came to play to make sure that you as a white rapper in the

UK scene got through? You know what? Just persistence, persistence, persistence. I just didn't

stop. You know, there were so many full starts as well. I was signing to my skin as record

label me and him, me being lazy, not working as hard as I should have. During the period

when I signed to his label, and I can put my hands up and say that, but I also biting

heads and not agreeing on music up until a point. And then just as we did, and he sent

a really kind email and he was like, look, I've been spending too long trying to make

you into something that you're not rather than focusing on what you're good at. Let's

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