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Molly Reynolds and Eric Ciaramella on the Ukraine Supplemental

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🗓️ 8 February 2024

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

It's been a wild and woolly week on Capitol Hill with respect to the border, Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan, and a lot of other stuff. On Wednesday, the Senate was preparing to vote both on the apparently doomed supplemental deal that included border security provisions, and on a deal without them. 

Lawfare Editor-in-Chief Benjamin Wittes sat down with Lawfare Senior Editor Molly Reynolds and Eric Ciaramella of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace to discuss the congressional politics and also the situation in Ukraine that drives the need for congressional action. They talked about how the border and the Ukraine supplemental got wrapped up together, how they're being disaggregated, whether there is a path forward for Ukraine aid now that the Senate has killed the compromise, what's happening on the ground in Ukraine, and what would happen if the United States doesn't act.

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And before you know it, you're there.

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feel good travel.

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You know, this lack of aid will only exacerbate those political and societal tensions and sort of cause chaos in the

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ranks of the Ukrainian army and so you could see cascading failures over the course of

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2024. I'm Benjamin Wittis and this is the Law Fair Podcast February 8th

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2024. It's been a wild and woolly week on Capitol Hill with respect to the border, Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan,

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and a lot of other stuff.

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As we recorded yesterday, the Senate was preparing to vote, both on the apparently doomed

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supplemental deal, including border security provisions and on one without them.

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Joining me in the virtual jungle studio was Molly Reynolds Lawfair, senior editor, and Eric Charramella of the

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Carnegie Endowment of International Peace.

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We got together to discuss the congressional politics and also the situation in Ukraine that drives the need for congressional action.

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We talked about how the border and the Ukraine supplemental got wrapped up

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together, how they're being disaggregated, whether there is a path forward for Ukraine aid now that the Senate has killed the

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compromise and we talked about what's going on on the ground in the Ukrainian

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lines and what would happen if the United States

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doesn't act it's the lawfare podcast February 8th Molly Reynolds and Eric

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