All right, welcome back, everybody.

Today, me and my guests, or my guests and I, if it's proper English, are going to be

talking about brainwashing, MK Ultra, trancy things, LSD, a whole bunch of things. And why am I interested in this?

Like, what has this got to do with cults? Glad you asked. So some of you know that there's a bunch

of Nixium podcasts out right now that started coming out mid-November, Nancy Salzman, Allison Mack, Lauren Salzman, and you might have

heard with some of the podcast, not all, but some of the podcast that some of the people, mostly one,

sort of seemed like they were describing sort of trance-like behavior, that it took them a long, long time

to snap out of what seems a bit like a trance. And for me, with my wake-up in 2017, it was like

waking up. It was like waking up out of one reality into another. And Mr. Richard Gannon and I

have discussed the cult personality that gets built.

So what I want to do first is we're going to talk a bit about M.K. Ultra, particularly a podcast

with Chase Hughes, and an episode that Darren Brown did where he staged an assassination of Stephen Fry

by quote-unquote brainwashing somebody just like a Manchurian candidate.

But for those of you that don't know what M.K. Ultra is,

and then I'll have my guests jump in.

Let me just give you the blurb.

So, Project MK. Ultra was a top secret in the legal research program conducted by the U.S.

Central Intelligence Agency, those wonderful people, from 1953 to approximately 1973.

Its goal was to develop mind control techniques and truth serums that could be used against

enemies during the Cold War.

There was a whole thing that happened during the Korean War where a bunch of U.S. soldiers basically

turned against the U.S. and the U.S. was like, what the hell happened? These people have been

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