Welcome to the Eric Metaxis show with your host, Eric Metaxis.

Folks, welcome to the program.

My name's Eric Metaxis.

This is the Eric Metaxis show.

As you know, if you've listened to me over the years or read my books, there's certain things that stagger my imagination.

Hard for me to believe. One of those things is the satanic, atheistic worldview of the Chinese government.

They not only don't believe in God, but they are very hostile to anyone who does.

And their worldview is consistent. They don't believe that we're made in the image of God, that our lives are sacred.

They believe that they have the power to force people to think and behave in certain ways.

And maybe the most grotesque example of that worldview is something called forced organ harvesting.

They murder people for their valuable organs.

Now, the Nazis would have loved to do this, but they didn't have the technology,

but China does.

So I thought it would be nice to get someone to talk about this.

Nice is not the word but appropriate.

The book is Bloody Harvest, Organ Harvesting of Falun Gong practitioners in China.

And the other book is called The Slaughter, Mass Killings, Organ Harvesting, and China's Secret Solution to its dissident problem.

The author is Mitchell

Nicholas Gerber. Mitchell, welcome to this program. Hi, Eric. Nice to meet you. Those two books

are actually colleagues of mine. So those are books that deal with this issue. The main investigator's

books, Ethan Gutman, David Kilgoy, David Mattis.

We had Ethan on this program, if I remember, Bloody Harvest, and the other book is The Slaughter.

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